This will be members of Parliament to decide

Secretary of State for trade, craft and SME meets tomorrow to Toulon the reformers of the UMP to weigh on the project of the candidate of the majority in 2012. On labour and taxation, he met several ideas in debate.

You collect your troops. Is this because liberal ideas were not sufficiently taken into account since 2007

The opposite is true. Many of reforms that we proposed in 2006 have been implemented. The tax credit research, it is us. EWB - SME, we would have liked. And we proposed the zero-rating of overtime to default to change the legal duration of work. Our seminar in Toulon will be an opportunity to review and include us in the debate of the next presidential. The crisis nothing struck our options. To play the forces of freedom has meaning only in a framework validated by law. Liberalism has never been in favour of the abolition of the rules.

Should the 2012 campaign to play right or centre

The campaign is played everywhere but our role we, reformers, is to speak to the heart of the electorate of right: the employees of small businesses, small patterns, the liberal professions, merchants, craftsmen, all those who "bossent" to get out. In short, the assets, this right which is attached to entrepreneurial freedom and willing to just title protection crisis. All of them voted for Sarkozy in 2007. In the regional elections, some of them were interrogative, or even disappointed. To transform the test in 2012, they are the ones need to remobilise mass.

What do you propose to remobilise them

We will discuss in Toulon. One of the ideas that je food on the table is a new global contract win-win between the State, enterprises and employees. One can imagine more flexibility in the Organization of the work, whether its duration or the social effects of threshold. We must think in Exchange to a decline in relief of loads made since 1994 to businesses. These breaks are very expensive: given the State of public finances, EUR 22 billion, it is not nothing.

Do they not have a utility

Personally, I am doubtful - I always was - in the light of the level of unemployment in our country. Need to calibrate these breaks to obtain the best possible efficiency. This is not to remove these breaks, but to imagine a progressive decline in connection with the business.

I need to remove the 35-hour

I always was partisan but could not do cookie-cutter. Our electorate is very attached to the value of work, the promotion of a society of activity rather than a company that would only focus social assistance.

What should be the presidential candidate tax bill you

Our taxation should better indicate the directions in which we want to go. For example, the majority wants to empower the French face to the State of our public finances, but the speech of accountability may be inoperative when only half of the French pay income tax. This is why it must ask in 2012 for a comprehensive reform of the taxation which would both lead to the CSG and the income tax but also remove the tax shield and the ISF. It would be simpler and more readable.

In its current state, reform pensions suffice to fill the gap

It is a good reform because it is courageous and it takes into account the lengthening of the duration of life. As it cannot indefinitely prolong the duration of activity, I wish is developed to complement the individual pension savings mechanisms, which are for me the third pillar of the system. Need to improve retirement savings devices that exist - Perco, Perp-, who already won a true success. This will be members of Parliament to decide.

Your friend Alain Madelin held that Eric Woerth "in the untenable position of conflict of interest" in the case of Bettencourt. How about you

Before the question of conflict of interest, I remember that this controversy is based on of eavesdropping and rumours. Address the Minister responsible for the pension reform, is an operation of heavy diversion is neither free nor unexpected.